The Comprehensive World of Chiropractic Care with Dr. Graham Jenkins

I Love Kelowna episode 243. A deep dive into the world of chiropractic care with Dr. Graham Jenkins of Lighthouse Chiropractic.

Chiropractic treatments go way beyond just addressing back pain. Experts like Dr. Jenkins have successfully treated conditions like colic in infants, thyroid issues, and much more.

Dr. Jenkins shares his journey from Ontario to Kelowna, insights into the evolution of chiropractic care, and his experience with the recent West Kelowna wildfires.

Join us for an enlightening conversation on the holistic benefits of chiropractic treatments and our personal stories from Kelowna.

Featured Guest: Dr. Graham Jenkins
For more insights on chiropractic care and wellness, visit Dr. Graham Jenkins' YouTube channel: @LighthouseKelowna

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Transcript

Speaker 1: 1:04

Graham, it's great to see you. I think we're coming up on six years since we did our interview in 2018. And you were episode number four, and this is going to be, episode 243.

Speaker 2: 1:19

No way, yeah, wow, that's impressive Congratulations. Yeah, no, thanks for having me on. I love chatting with you and I, yeah, I think this is such a great platform, so thanks for the invite.

Speaker 1: 1:30

Right, thank you. Thank you for coming and, kara, my wife is a client of yours and she raves about your work and you told me a lot in 2018 about what chiropractic work is all about, and you mentioned that you even do chiropractic work on infants sometimes. Where they have, you can have spinal issues and different things. Yeah, just if you don't mind, just give us a little overview of what chiropractic work is for people who don't know.

Speaker 2: 2:06

Okay, yeah, well, chiropractors deal with the spine just like your dentist would deal with the teeth or your cardiologist deals with the heart. So your spine and nervous system is, in my opinion, the most important system in the body because it controls everything else. The brain basically controls all other nine organ systems. Spines basically got two major functions. One is to hold you upright against gravity, and that's your posture and everybody, unfortunately in North America, our lifestyle is not very kind to our posture and our structure Right. But the second thing is your spine is like an armor coating or an armor plating, a shield for your spinal cord and so that spinal cord exits from the base of the skull out through 33 pairs of spinal nerve ruse and supplies every cell, tissue and organ in your body. So even though someone may come to me and say, doc, I've got a pain in my mid back or my neck hurts or I've got headaches, sciatica, oftentimes when we're working to rehabilitate their spine and their posture, we see some really cool organic stuff happen.

Speaker 2: 3:22

I've had people whose thyroid conditions you're no longer taking thyroid medications. Digestive issues have cleared up asthma. That's a big one. The respiratory challenges, because if you maximize your nerve flow, we use this term called subluxation. Subluxation is like a dam in the river that blocks off that nerve flow from the brain out to these vital areas of the body so that life force, energy isn't getting to that end organ.

Speaker 2: 3:55

So it's really cool to see how holistic chiropractic can be for a lot of people. I know it's sort of been stuck in the neck pain, back pain category in most people's minds. But you mentioned we do infant work, we do seniors. My joke is anybody with a spine is a good chiropractic candidate. Just like, once you have teeth, the dentist wants to make sure those teeth are healthy. So oftentimes things like colic, chronic, recurrent ear infections that seems to have been parents talk, mom's talk, so I've got my fair share of ear infection kids that we've really been able to help. And whether it's the birth process itself, because that's pretty traumatic, whether it's a normal delivery or a C-section, that little infant spine is pretty delicate. Yeah, so I could talk for a very long time about chiropractic, but hopefully that's the nuts and bolts of it for you.

Speaker 1: 4:59

Yeah, so you mentioned it could help with colic. So is that an adjustment? Like the baby's spine is out of kilter? What is that?

Speaker 2: 5:11

Yeah, often the upper part of the neck. So the cervical spine is the neck. So the upper cervical spine is really at risk because in the modern day delivery they use a lot of rotation to rotate the shoulders. So they're actually rotating the neck to get the shoulders to follow Right, so that, if you can imagine, we've got videos of normal deliveries where the poor little infant's head is actually rotated back beyond the shoulder. So yeah, that's not a normal position.

Speaker 2: 5:42

So that will leave a subluxation in that upper cervical area and so that interferes with something we call the sympathetic nervous system. So I don't know if you've heard of parasympathetic birth as sympathetic. Parasympathetic is what is like jacked after a nice turkey dinner and you just want to lay down on the couch and sleep. You know, sympathetic is that kind of stress response. So generally, if it's a heightened sympathetic response because of a subluxation in the upper cervical spine, that infant is a really good candidate and it's super gentle.

Speaker 2: 6:18

My profs, when they were teaching us how to adjust instruments or adjust infants, they said you know, imagine what it would take to dint a loaf of bread. You don't want to use any more pressure than that, Right? So obviously the kind of pressure I use for someone like yourself or Cara, I would not use with an infant Right and yeah, and it's, I tell you. Talk about happy moms after they've not slept for you know, multiple weeks because of a colicky baby. Oftentimes it's like one or two visits and the moms are just like blown away, which is really cool. It's to be part of that. And yeah, talk about a chiropractic, you know. Advocate for life. Yeah, After that, the mom's talk, yeah.

Speaker 1: 7:04

Yeah, which I knew, you, my two girls. They had it pretty bad but it was like six, seven months. It wasn't like super long, but it's just very you know, you just feel for the child so much you want to help them and then you're getting frustrated because you're not getting enough sleep and yeah, it's pretty tough, but it's a wonderful feeling when it finally goes away. It goes away. I wish I knew you back then.

Speaker 2: 7:28

Yeah, yeah, that's unfortunately chiropractic. Could do a better job of explaining ourselves, because there's a lot of myths and just misunderstanding about chiropractic, especially modern day chiropractic. That unfortunately just keeps a lot of people out of our office because they're scared, because they don't know right.

Speaker 1: 7:48

Right and is it the same, like is it something everybody studies? So, like with my real estate license, we've got a set of protocols and of course there's differences in personality types and the way we sell, but the rules, the procedures, are exactly the same for every single agent in the process. Is it different, like, are there different specialties or are there different ways you can do things? Or any controversy about how chiropractic should be done?

Speaker 2: 8:22

Well, there's always lots of controversy. Come on, we're dealing with a bunch of people right, so they're hippies.

Speaker 2: 8:30

But no, depending on your jurisdiction. So obviously I practiced in Ontario for the first 12 years of my career, different jurisdiction in BC. But inside Canada it's pretty standard. Where it gets a little different is some states are different. We have different licensing boards depending on what jurisdiction you're in. So if there are any nuances that sort of gets dealt with at the licensure level. But yeah, that is one thing I wish my profession would mature a little bit more in that, because we're just talking about kids and chiropractic.

Speaker 2: 9:08

Well, there are doctors that really specialize in pediatrics and man. They are Like I learn a ton when I talk to these chiropractors because that's all they do. Unfortunately I'm one of only two advanced certified biophysics practitioners in all of Western Canada, so that's taken a fair bit of study to get there. So that means we deal with scoliosis, really advanced postural deformities. Now we deal with people who aren't as advanced, but we tend to be the place that other chiropractors refer to when they're really struggling with the case. We've got a full hospital grade digital x-ray.

Speaker 2: 9:48

The level of clinical excellence is very different but in British Columbia, just like those pediatric specialists, we can't distinguish ourselves and say, hey, you know what, we're an advanced certified biophysics office and this is possibly we might differentiate our care so people can kind of self-select. They can walk in anybody's office and think that they're going to get the same. So it would be nice, like with medicine, where you have people who are neurologists. So it's a very different practice than somebody who's a cardiologist or a physiatrist and patients tend to. I know getting to a specialist like that takes a referral. But I think, as far as serving the public, it would be nice if we had at least some kind of way to designate docs that are more further along in specialization so people can be a little bit more discerning when they call up whichever office they call.

Speaker 1: 11:47

So has the profession evolved? Is this something that's kind of ancient, like people have been doing this for centuries or even millennia, or is it something that's relatively modern and with research and over time, sometimes with medicine, there's new developments, new ways of approaching it. Has it changed much in the six years since we spoke?

Speaker 2: 12:10

Well, certainly our practice has. Yeah, but speaking to the, has care practice been around for a while? Well, there's documentation of manual work, spinal work, postural work, structural work. Back in the ancient Egypt there's actually hieroglyphics of people, what we would call manipulating the spine. Now it's pretty barbaric, but yeah, and for years and years and years a lot of the elites in Europe had bone setters. So bone setters it kind of fits with what you would understand about chiropractic. But yeah, it's sort of modern day chiropractic. It's been around probably about 125 years or so and ironically, the man who was credited with sort of delivering the first chiropractic adjustment was a fellow by the name of DD Palmer and he was born and raised. He didn't eventually stay there, but he was born and raised in Port Perry, ontario. So Canadian, it's a Canadian shtick which is pretty wild.

Speaker 1: 13:26

Interesting. So you started in Ontario. Why did you move to Kelowna?

Speaker 2: 13:34

Kelowna. Well, I've said a lot of people like it's really hard to compare to BC, right? So a lot of Ontario people say, oh, aren't you glad you're in Ontario? We loved Ontario. It was incredible. We lived up in cottage country and so I have nothing but great memories of Ontario. I just say, basically where we moved, kind of the Skolka-Helliburton area a lot of small little lakes, a lot of boating, a lot of outdoor activity Kelowna is just kind of like that area on steroids, like the hills are mountains, right, the lakes are massive.

Speaker 2: 14:16

So when we I came here, actually for a chiropractic conference, ironically, and I brought it was in the spring, I brought out my winter gear because it was, like, you know, tons of snow, but it was March out here and I landed. I'm like I actually had to go to the store to buy a pair of running shoes because all I had. I'm like I'm not leaving Canada. So, you know, and I didn't do any research before I showed up, you know, and it's like full on beautiful spring. I think I landed like the year where it was like might as well have been July in Ontario. So yeah, and we were actually looking for a change. We were in a small rural community, so I was looking to move into a larger area because of the work I do tends to be a little bit more specialized. I had a couple of offices that had offered me positions at that time, and so my wife and I were considering that. Our kids were still pretty young, so it was easy to make a move.

Speaker 2: 15:15

But, yeah, when I landed here I'm looking around going, okay, international Airport at the time the university was just kind of getting spun up I was like for the size of the city to be in a city that had that many services, ontario, it had to be about three times that size, more like the kind of London, ontario or those kind of larger areas. And we still work at rural at heart. You know, we like the outdoors, we're really connected to nature, yeah. So you know, kelowna was like, okay, it's going to take us just as much effort to move three hours away versus, you know, across the country because you have to sell everything anyway, right. So, yeah, and I tell you, luke, we have never looked back. I am, yeah, I've had a couple of colleagues move out here because of we're just so, you know, talking about how wonderful, yeah, and they see our Facebook posts. You know, yeah, yeah so one of my best friends from Cal Private School. He lives about a dozen houses down from us. Yeah, so, yeah it's kind of neat.

Speaker 1: 16:22

Yeah, we had a similar experience and most people I talked to that experience like that. Either they were vacationing here or they randomly came here for some reason, like a conference or, and then we fall in love with this place once we, once we see it. So there was no dispute between you and your wife. It was like let's do this.

Speaker 2: 16:44

Oh, no. Yeah, no, we did end up bringing the kids out for a week over their school break. We did a week at Big White, but ironically again, so that would have been the next spring. Ironically, you know, it was basically me and my son that stayed at Big White because there was no one. We loved skiing and Jan and the girls were in town shopping and just enjoying the spring right, and so they're in shorts and T-shirts and we're skiing and yeah.

Speaker 2: 17:17

So I don't know how much skiing Jan did that holiday, but it was enough. I think she might actually started looking at houses at that point in time too, so yeah, Do you remember what year that was? It would have been 2005 and 2006.

Speaker 1: 17:32

Wow yeah, so you've seen a ton of changes I've seen since 2011 and lots of changes, but you mentioned that your business has changed in the last six years, so tell us a little bit about that.

Speaker 2: 17:47

Some of the changes yeah, well, we've added some team members. So since we spoke last we've actually increased our just square footage. So we're a larger clinic and we are truly now a multidisciplinary clinic. With massage therapy, we have a fascial stretch therapist, we've got two other chiropractors, we've got really kind of well-rounded group of practitioners that work together and yeah, so with that expansion it's given me with the two younger docs I can sort of let them handle sort of not the simpler cases but cases that maybe don't need the specialization like I have. So that's allowed me to study and kind of research and work on my advanced certification. So this advanced certification in chiropractic biophysics takes quite a while. So I actually started studying this stuff in 1997. So that's longer than some of my patients have been alive. So that's how I know how old I am. But now, yeah, there's I think there's maybe eight of us in all of Canada that have that level of certification. Like I said, we're the only. There's another clinic that does scoliosis work with us. So they do bracing for us.

Speaker 2: 19:18

But I'm going to give you a little teaser here. I just acquired another clinic in town. I can't say who, but basically they'll bring that level, so we'll. So we'll be up to five chiro's. We're going to have to do a big expansion to be able to do that, but we're still going to be in the landmark buildings just moving building over. Are you going into the new tower? Are you going to do that? No, no, yeah.

Speaker 2: 19:47

So QHR, the big medical EHR, it's an electronic health record company. With COVID they sent most of their people to work at home and they realized we don't need four floors throughout the landmark building, so they're condensing down to one. So we're taking actually over the main floor or a portion of the main floor, probably a third of the main floor of landmark number five. So that's very cool. A little bit. I don't know if I should be sharing all of that, but anyway it's, it's happening, so it's just yeah. So that'll actually put us probably little Kelowna. We will have probably the most specialized and largest chiropractic clinic in Canada and certainly the most certified and the most as far as clinical excellence. And I'm not speaking like I started as a traditional chiropractor. I never speak ill, I just am this kind of nut for learning, you know. So yeah, so that'll be really cool. So probably this summer we'll be moving into that.

Speaker 1: 20:59

It takes a while for construction to happen with, you know, kelowna the realtor, yeah, Well, it's kind of the same everywhere, it's like but oh, is it Okay, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean that's one side.

Speaker 2: 21:13

Yeah, that's one side. And I've done a big study with UBC on how the work we do impacts human immune function. So we also have the designation of being the only clinical practice in chiropractic doing research with a leading Canadian university. And again, when you get the kind of qualifications we have, it opens up a lot of doors. You know, and I'm a big believer in never, ever, ever being the smartest guy in the room, right, so I've had an opportunity to be around some just incredibly inspiring people. So we've been working with Dr Jonathan Little, who is an exercise physiologist who has an immune lab with UBCO. And, yeah, we went through the grant process with an organization out of Australia. So the Australia's final research foundation granted us the funds to be able to do this study and we've been working with Jonathan for four years and it looks like I just got an email this morning from the grad student saying I should have the preliminary data out to you guys next week. Incredible, wow, yeah, so, yeah, so not sitting around.

Speaker 1: 22:36

So for your new location or your expanded location, it makes sense to merge those like not keep the old location of the business you're acquiring, keep everything under one roof, right Administrative.

Speaker 2: 22:52

Yeah, we talked about kind of having a satellite clinic, but it's just, I like the idea of everybody being together. I just think it's good for team and because we do tend to have a ton of communication between practitioners if I think we'd lose sort of the interconnectedness of the kind of different disciplines if we had two locations.

Speaker 1: 23:21

So that makes sense. So tell us a little more about that. You were saying how there's research that's showing that chiropractic has an effect on the immune system. That's kind of surprising for me to hear. What is the connection?

Speaker 2: 23:39

Yeah, well, again coming back to that sympathetic, parasympathetic response, most people understand that when you're under stress your immune system is downregulated, so that's why stress is so horrible. But people don't really understand the neurology behind that. So it is orchestrated by your neurology, so the stress impacts the brain that cranks up your sympathetic side or that fight or flight side, whether you're thinking peaceful thoughts or not. Once that brain gets on a my brother and I used to call this once your brain gets on a breakaway, it's really hard to catch up. There's the ultimate Canadian analogy there for neurology, but yeah, so basically then the sympathetics start to really inhibit the cells of the human immune system that combat. We call them pathogens. So that's bacteria, that's viruses, that's things that we don't even know yet, that they're discovering.

Speaker 2: 24:49

I was just over at the blood lab or the immune lab this week talking to the kid that's. I call them kids, they're grad students, they're almost doctors, so I need to be more respectful. It's just I'm really getting old, they're kind of my kids age. So I'm like, okay, but yeah, he was explaining to me just what they're discovering now and yeah, so, as somebody's under chiropractic care and we calm down their immune or their nerve system. No-transcript kind of hyperactivity. That's probably a good term. Probably a pure neurology researcher would cringe at me talking like this, but I'm a clinician first so I often make things pretty simple. So yeah, as you calm down that hyperactivity on the nerve system and it up regulates your immune function. So we've got research back as far as 1993.

Speaker 2: 25:47

I think one of the most groundbreaking studies was done in Atlanta at the beginning of the, basically doctors identifying HIV AIDS. So the homeless communities in these like Atlanta was a really hot spot. La was another hot spot, san Francisco, like there was just a few hot spots in the States that were just crazy right, and there was a chiropractic school there that had a downtown drop-in clinic for the street community or marginalized people and so they were doing blood work on these people with this disease. They didn't understand and the people that were getting their practice care had between a two to 400% increase in immune function versus the people who weren't. Wow, yeah, and again super rudimentary, like talking to the guys at UBCO, like the way they're analyzing cells now is just way more complicated.

Speaker 2: 26:46

I always when I read that study I probably came across that study in about 1995, and I thought we need to do this one again, only on regular people, now, just the average person walking in. Do we have an impact to that degree on their immune function? And little did I know that COVID and the whole world would blow up and people would be really caring about their immune function, and so, yeah, so it was kind of a neat. So, anyway, we've got some really good preliminary research, and so we're just waiting for our data to come in.

Speaker 1: 27:22

Interesting Is that because they're sleeping on hard surfaces and they don't have good support for the back and their neck, and was that a cause of yeah?

Speaker 2: 27:35

Well, like I'm obviously a structural guy yeah, that's kind of my world, like posture and structure, because I explained that. But any chiropractic adjustment will stimulate your nerve system. So we're just talking about that sympathetic, parasympathetic. Obviously, when we're talking about infants and the colic and that kind of parasympathetic and sympathetic, you don't worry about an infant's posture. They're not even standing up yet, right? They're just laying up. We'll see. Yeah, so it's far more reaching than posture. It's just that posture is what we're seeing in most of the adult population and it's a good outcome measure. So, yeah, so we're talking more about nerve system function rather than just structure.

Speaker 1: 28:21

Right, right, but the homelessness is probably a contributing factor, I'm guessing, to some of these issues that the people you're studying. You know like.

Speaker 2: 28:30

I noticed by having a bad pillow.

Speaker 1: 28:32

If I'm in a hotel with that bad pillow like I'm not right, the next day.

Speaker 2: 28:37

Yeah, no, and it's really. When I first moved into Kelowna I did a little bit of volunteering downtown and was going down once a week to help out with one of the organizations that helped the street community. So I'd adjust for maybe an hour or two on my lunch break and, oh my word, these poor guys are spines. But they were super appreciative, oh, but but yeah, you're just like wow, they're really beat up.

Speaker 1: 29:08

Yeah, you told me six years ago that it's really a process, like a person can see immediate improvement from a single treatment. Yeah, it's important for them to do it on a therapeutic basis, like on a continuous basis. Is that true?

Speaker 2: 29:26

Well, it really depends on kind of what your goals are. So our office is very slanted towards more of a lifestyle approach. So I often it's not a great analogy but it's a good analogy like you're working out, like any workout is positive for your body, but the best type of workout is one that's backed up with another workout and another workout. So oftentimes what we're dealing with is structural patterns. So you as a realtor unfortunately you're in front of a computer yeah, you're driving around in your car showing people like you're probably more active than most accountants.

Speaker 1: 30:11

Right.

Speaker 2: 30:12

They're just right out of screen accountants and lawyers. But if you think about sort of the patterns that are negatively impacting your posture, you would really have to do a full lifestyle renal, probably change careers to get rid of the negative impacts. And nobody's going to do that Right. And even if you go from realtor to another profession, you're probably still going to be sitting in front of the computer yes, you know your professional podcaster while you're sitting in front of the computer. Now, you know. So all these things contribute on a daily basis. So that's why we're generally seeing people either weekly or every other week to reset them, retrain them. And we've finally got to the point where we're and Kara's going to find this next time she sees me we're going to. We're actually graduating our patients to a full posture-based mirror image adjustment. So we're basically taking your x-rays and your posture, putting you in your mirror image and adjusting you in that, because that actually has more of an impact on the brain, so long-term it'll have better results for people.

Speaker 2: 31:23

Yeah, Very cool. Yeah, and that's yeah, it is really cool. So that whole kind of Frank the Crank thing I joke about it, that's kind of how I started. Yeah, that Frank the Crank kind of chiropractic is is going away Right, and I've had some patients because I am good at that. I've had patients come to me saying oh, I know that you're a really good manual adjuster and I've graduated them into mirror image adjusting and they're like oh, wow, that was like like they get up off the table going wow, I feel different. Yeah, yeah, very cool. Yeah, it's just a whole other level which is cool, yeah.

Speaker 1: 31:58

Very cool this this summer, another beautiful part of the world. Here we had some horrible forest fires and I know you, you were kind of directly or in like in some ways directly impacted because you had to take detours and some homes.

Speaker 2: 32:13

Oh yeah, you know that was stressful. Yeah, yeah, I'm a I'm a pretty tough nut, but man, those three weeks I was, it really impacted me. It was something else. So if you want the full story, I basically came back. We had seen the smoke kind of over on the west side. We're fortunate We've moved to a community that's right on the lake, which is just real blessed.

Speaker 1: 32:39

Are you on the Kelowna side or west?

Speaker 2: 32:41

Kelowna side. No, we're out McKinley Beach now. You're a realtor, you know what that is, so yeah, so we're right on McKinley Beach Drive and we just get full. You know, we can see that whole west side. It's just beautiful. So we were sort of watching the smoke a little bit. It was kind of down towards the city and deeper into west Kelowna, as you know, kind of where the fire started. We're sort of watching it, kind of that.

Speaker 2: 33:09

Tuesday night, the Wednesday, I came home on the Thursday night and all of a sudden that Thursday night was the night that it blew up and over. We just started seeing it just kind of come down all the way across in front of our place on the far side and then, you know, I don't know, it was 10 or 11 o'clock at night it skipped over and landed up near Knox. So basically we're like shoot, if that wind keeps going, we're right in the line of fire. So we packed up, we went into town and stayed in town that night. Basically it just kind of circled our little community, like the McKinley Beach area and we.

Speaker 2: 33:55

But the problem is it was up, you know, it was behind us, it was on either side of us. So we were this little pocket in the middle. So the first night we were actually able to come back the next morning and we stayed the day, but I had to go back into work the next day. So basically I got separated from my wife and our dog. You know which was? It was definitely more traumatic being separated from my wife than my dog. Just I got to make that clear here.

Speaker 1: 34:23

But you worry about the pets too because, like they're almost right, it's so stress-dressed yeah.

Speaker 2: 34:29

And the smell of smoke, like you could tell. He was just like on edge the whole time. So you know, we sort of were on pins and needles. Our actual community was never on evacuation, we were just on alert, but areas around us were on evacuation orders. So, depending on kind of the day or literally the hour, I could either get home. So I'm still trying to go back to work and back and forth looking after patients. So most of my time I was going all the way to Winfield and driving back down Glenmore Road to get back to our community. And yeah, so we were out maybe four nights before we could get back in.

Speaker 2: 35:17

But yeah, just, I was a really sweet officer. She was from out of town. Once she found out she must have had somebody in healthcare, Because once she found out I was a doctor, she's like okay, we're just going to open up for you so you can get back and have a sleep. And then I said I'm going to be back here at 7 o'clock in the morning because I got to get back to work. She's like no problem. So my shifts kind of neared her shifts and she's super compassionate. So I was very thankful for her because, yeah, just that being able to come home and everything was fine. And yeah, it was pretty stressful three weeks for us.

Speaker 1: 35:58

Yeah no doubt there was some disorganization. I heard some criticism. I don't know if we need to talk about it on this episode, but I've heard. You know not everybody was happy with the, but I know the firefighters and a lot of volunteers did a tremendous job and under tremendous pressure. But I heard rumors that, you know, some of the fire bombers were cut back and you know like some of the resources that we should have had weren't in place. Yeah, something else.

Speaker 2: 36:30

Yeah, I would have thought. Ironically, my brother was on the. He's with the Ministry of Natural Resources in Ontario, so he was on the 03 fire so he came out to support and he's a pretty bright guy, you know. And yeah, he was pretty disappointed with kind of how that fire went down. You know he felt that it could have been a little different approach. Not the guys on the ground, Not like the people he was working with. He was impressed, they were hard working, but just the yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 37:12

Some of the higher up decisions, yeah, yeah, and unfortunately I kind of like well, he was obviously quite interested in what was going on and, from what I could tell, I kind of shared with him and he's like man, I don't think they learned anything from 03. And so, again, he's a firefighting professional. He worked his way up, he was a fire prevention officer way high up in the Ministry of Natural Resources, so he didn't stay on the ground for his entire career. But yeah, it's just. It's disappointing that when fires are so prevalent in our area, why we can't just have some, you know some resources that are just for the Okanagan? I know people say well, you know we can't. It's like I wouldn't mind paying a little bit extra on my taxes If I knew there was three water bombers sitting out at the Colen Airport. I'm not going to complain about that one bit, especially after what I saw, so that they could get on those fires like soon as they see smoke. You know not wait. So I don't know, I probably said some things that offended people.

Speaker 2: 38:19

But Well no, I don't think so.

Speaker 1: 38:22

I think it was pretty yeah.

Speaker 2: 38:25

It's just sad, you know, because there's we had friends. Well, I guess you know Ange. Ange lost her home. You remember Ange from the Sales Lead Network? Yeah, yeah, and such a beautiful home and artesian work. Like they're not going to be able to get that recreated. You know, as a German, yeah, I was just and you look at that going, oh, yeah, you just it's a devastating thing.

Speaker 1: 38:52

You know, we went through the hurricane in the Cayman Islands in 2004.

Speaker 2: 38:56

Oh, right, and that was.

Speaker 1: 38:59

You know it's something you never forget. So I would say I was a little bit calmer this time because you know we lost, like physically, we lost everything. So I had a ton of books, I used to collect shoes.

Speaker 1: 39:18

I used to collect a bunch of shoes and then all my books, all my clothes, like all my personal effects. So everything was either full of molds or Looted. So people were so desperate like I actually went out for something to eat a few months later and someone was wearing my shoes I was like he probably bought them off of someone who looted them.

Speaker 1: 39:38

Like yeah, I wasn't gonna accuse this guy of going into my yeah, I'm gonna say but yeah, it's really kind of kind of shocking and for me I was just like it took a couple of years to emotionally get over it. But yeah, I just Tried to become a little more Buddhist, you know, like a little less attached to Objects, like I can appreciate things, I love things, I love my car, I love my home, you know. But I just got a little bit less Hopefully a little bit less attached to material things, but we were really worried.

Speaker 1: 40:14

But Karen and I were getting on the airplane to go to Edmonton to see her parents and that that was Thursday and we were flying and out of the one side of the airplane we could see the bright orange all down West Cologne, yeah, and then we had to run to car to get back because we couldn't, we couldn't get back and oh, there's no flights coming back in.

Speaker 2: 40:34

Yeah, and then where you? How close were you guys to sort of leading, leading edge of the fire?

Speaker 1: 40:40

Like we were not close at all, but we were kind of right in the center, like we live Gordon and Gooshigan, so we were never even under alert, but our Teenage daughters were. Here are two cats and we were like, like, what are we gonna do if we can't come back? I said right, and the air quality was just so awful.

Speaker 2: 41:02

Like we, drove back and I couldn't even breathe. Yeah. No, the air quality of the city was worse than out here, and we're right in the middle of the fire. So whatever the wind was doing, it just parked everything right. Yeah, in town, it was awful yeah that was terrible.

Speaker 1: 41:16

But the fear of it kind of dissipated after a few days. We realized it wasn't gonna get closer but the air quality was terrible. But yeah, that was, that was crazy times. I didn't think we'd actually see that in the city and happened so fast, so fast, right like we heard about the fires. And then it was like, like you said, thursday night it's jumped over the lake and we could all see on the just across the bridge there was all bright orange, did you? You remember the train to rail meant in Mississauga, ontario. I think it was like 79 or 1980. You and I would have been pretty young.

Speaker 2: 41:57

No, it was a huge.

Speaker 1: 41:58

So a Rail train went off the tracks right in the middle of Mississauga and there's, I think, 750,000 people today that live there, but at the time was more like 180,000. It was like the size of Paloma and Bright orange flame shooting up in the sky. I was 11 years old and we had to evacuate, but oh no, wasn't really close to us but it was kind of cool as an 11 year old I About because it was chlorine tanks and they were worried about those going off.

Speaker 1: 42:34

Yeah, yeah he's in the air, but these propane tanks we were shooting off like firecrackers and we lived about six kilometers from the accident and it was kind of cool as an 11 year old. We got to go stay in a hotel, but yeah, it wasn't, it wasn't super scary for me, yeah, but yeah it's interesting.

Speaker 2: 42:57

Good on your parents for not Transferring whatever they were, stressing it out.

Speaker 1: 43:02

Yeah, to you.

Speaker 2: 43:03

Yeah, that's cool man. So mississauga boy, I didn't know that. Yeah, that's where I grew up.

Speaker 1: 43:08

So downtown Toronto west and the Toronto, mississauga, tobago, and then I spent a lot of time, like you did, up in cottage country, more the peter bro side, a little bit of a smoke up a morning, the Halliburton, you know, peterborough, bob Cajun, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 43:30

Yeah, the real. When I was in high school I was I paid my way kind of through my summers and Saved up for university as a landscaper, right, and Baptiste Lake was where the Bear naked ladies had a cottage over, yeah, and so I actually did some landscaping on the property because there was a couple chiropractors that owned a Peninsula and so they were over there and so I was doing some tree removal for them and Whoever was looking after the grounds? I never met any of the the guys, right, but yeah, that's. Yeah, there's some neat little bands up in there and a lot of creativity in that area, you know.

Speaker 1: 44:17

So, yeah, cool, awesome, yeah so, graham, tell us how do people get in touch with you? Is there social media where they can follow you and all the research you're doing, all the cool stuff you're doing? Or, yeah, make an appointment with your Business for a consultation. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 44:36

Yeah, yeah, no, we're. We're lighthouse car practice. So I Believe our website here I am not the greatest guy on this, but Lighthouse health dot ca is our but if you just type lighthouse Kelowna, you'll get us, because we do have a fairly broad Online presence. I've got a YouTube channel that has a lot of kind of the exercises and posture based mirror maj exercises. If we give people, so people want some free stuff just type Graham Jenkins in YouTube or Graham Jenkins, kelowna and you'll get. There's probably 250 videos that we've done over time. You can look for re reposition or posture based exercises, and Just because I've been so bored lately, I've actually written two books.

Speaker 2: 45:31

So I've self published a couple books. One's called reposition and so it's all about posture restoration, so it's up on Amazon. And then I wrote one on vitamin C because I've just found it's a kind of simple but very powerful Nutrients. So, yeah, so we have lots, of Lots of social media. I have my own kind of Dr Graham Jenkins professional Facebook page and we're on Facebook as well. I don't really mind LinkedIn that much. You as a realtor probably think.

Speaker 1: 46:06

I mean to me there's just too many things, like there's too many platforms or other. Just talk to people. But it's great that you have a YouTube channel, because this is going to be a YouTube channel. And sometimes I'm just gonna share the link on Facebook and Instagram Maybe little clips, but I'm gonna focus on YouTube, because that's where I spend the most time as a consumer On social media is YouTube, and of course, we still have the audio version. So our conversation will be on the podcast platforms, but it can be on YouTube.

Speaker 2: 46:38

This video, yeah and is it okay for us? Like, when it gets up, can we push it out on our? Yeah, yeah, please do. We're gonna tag you. Yeah, yeah, well, that'd be great because we do. You know, just, we just been doing this for so long that we do have a pretty good reach out there, cool, and yeah, and if people want to contact me directly, I'm just dr Jay at lighthouse lighthouse health dot ca. So dr J, like the Basketball player that, yeah, I had the big hair. Yeah, back, do you, and I remember that, yeah.

Speaker 2: 47:16

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah, yeah, dr J, yeah, so he was the original dr J At at lighthouse health dot ca. And I answer emails and try to get beat back to people and and I'll maybe provide links to Videos that we've got on our so I can direct people a little bit more if they've. They've got a specific question and yeah, and all of the kairos at lighthouse are really top-notch kairos. We're in Monday through Saturday, so the younger doctor in on Saturday to cover there for people that need to get on the weekend. So we really try to serve all week long because People tend to Need us at different times. That's great, that's awesome.

Speaker 1: 47:57

Thanks so much. Do you want to nominate anyone to come on the? I love clone apocapsed yeah.

Speaker 2: 48:06

Um you know what, Um Shoot. And you can take a minute to talk about it as we can.

Speaker 1: 48:20

I said it's super easy to just chop.

Speaker 2: 48:24

Yeah, yeah, no, that would be great, I think.

Speaker 1: 48:29

So someone you would enjoy hearing me interviews?

Speaker 2: 48:33

Yeah, listen to. Yeah, you know I. Is it okay to nominate a good friend? Yeah, of course, yeah, okay, yeah. So dr Mark Fulong, okay, is a chiropractic college Colleague of mine. He's the guy that I said is moved out from Ontario, followed us out here the last few years. How do you suppose F-o-u-l-o-n-g, o-n-g. I can send you his contact information to you through the. Yeah, so you've got that. And he's done some really good work with our college board. So, as you know, a lot of political organizations have gone Very sideways, yeah, the last five years. Yeah, yes, so he's been involved with sort of some legal defense and organization to try to help preserve the integrity of our profession against sort of the intrusion from our Chiropractic college. So he's just a really interesting guy. He was quite involved politically in Ontario as well and, yeah, I've you, I would love to, uh, have that conversation.

Speaker 2: 49:47

Definitely get way more listens than mine.

Speaker 1: 49:50

Oh, I don't know, but uh, that would be wonderful. I'd like to interview you.

Speaker 2: 49:55

Yeah, I'll get him. I'll get that information to you so.

Speaker 1: 49:58

Pants have super Well. Thank you for the conversation. It's great to see you and, um, I should book an appointment with you myself, because I think I said that in 2018.

Speaker 2: 50:08

Yeah yeah well, you know where we are and I'm quite certain Cara would be happy if you.

Speaker 1: 50:16

Awesome. Well, thanks again, graham and uh. Have a great day and enjoy your weekend.

Speaker 2: 50:22

Yeah, we'll do, you don't care.